but the reality is obama care is here to stay. there's not a plausible path offered by senator leigh, senator cruz to repeal obama care with the tactics they're proposing. you listen to ted cruz speak on this, it's like signing up for pickett's charge the day after they did the first one. this will be a political disaster for republicans. and when you see the party and interest groups, the ones that are funding the ads against lindsey graham, doing that on an issue we all agree on, that's just a sign of problems in the party. no doubt about it. >> what do you make of the difference between senator cruz and senator rand paul over this? rand paul taking obviously the more mature view of the situation. >> well, look, i think rand paul's coming to the conclusion that you have to be able to articulate a pragmatic worldview to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. he can't run in the exact same space that his father ran in and possibly hope to be the republican nominee. let alone win actual primary contests. so i think you're